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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188138637" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188138637">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1095">@T-compiler/WG-meta</span> <span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188138668" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188138668">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188138726" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188138726">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:03)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> you around?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188138749" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188138749">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>during last meeting we landed Cleanup Crew ICE Breakers</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188138778" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188138778">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>we needed to syncronize a bit with <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="120823">@DPC</span> about this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188138841" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188138841">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>and also I saw some discussions about a Diagnostic ICE breaker group</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188138863" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188138863">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess those are some of the things we could talk about?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139005" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139005">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hey y'all</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139057" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139057">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>So, yes, we landed cleanup crew , and we started putting it into practice</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139064" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139064">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>exciting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139074" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139074">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>one thing I did want to say is that I want to create a meeting request</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139079" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139079">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>to discuss how we're doing triage</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139089" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139089">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e. a "compiler team design meeting"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139107" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139107">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:06)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139110" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139110">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was hoping <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="120823">@DPC</span> that we can also get you involved in said discussion</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139113" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139113">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>or perhaps pre-discussion</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139123" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139123">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>because I suspect we should be coordinating better!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139126" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139126">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Sure</p>



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<p><span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139172" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139172">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was planning on trying to focus the meeting on the question of:</p>
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<li>what are the <em>actual goals</em> we have with compiler team's triage?</li>
<li>is the current triage meeting an efficient use of time at achieving those goals?</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139248" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139248">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>and, more to the point, I sort of think our goals ought to be somewhat narrower: we should be focusing our energy on tracking the "most cricitical" bugs (regressions, super bad bugs, things that break a lot of the ecosystem)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139254" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139254">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>those are nice questions</p>



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<p>I may just copy and paste that into the design meeting request</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139278" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139278">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:08)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139280" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139280">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I agree. The problem generally is the triagers do not know about what's important and what's not</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139294" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139294">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>interesting, so I think one of the things we should be doing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139302" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139302">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>is trying to come up with more specific guidelines on this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139323" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139323">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>unfortunately I think <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> is out today</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139328" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139328">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>My personal focus is try to and get the older prs merged as much as possible</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139344" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139344">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think they'd be best positioned to try and write out the "de facto" rules we use</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139348" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139348">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:09)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>My personal focus is try to and get the older prs merged as much as possible</p>
</blockquote>
<p>interesting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139351" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139351">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is definitely a different sort of triage</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139393" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139393">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>though a laudable goal</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139394" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139394">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was going to say that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139407" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139407">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ye I understand</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139415" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139415">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., I'm thinking primarily about "how do we avoid shipping horrible and embarassing bugs" :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139421" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139421">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we have different goals</p>



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<p>note that I've lowered the goal from "how do we ensure the general quality of rustc" ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139468" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139468">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that's a good goal too but I think (a) it often works out and (b) I'm not sure that we have enough dedicated person power to devote to sort of "guaranteeing" that outcome :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139475" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139475">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>my understanding is that triage is trying to keep the issue tracker in a sane and manageable way, which is a nice thing to persue</p>



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<p>Just to be clear, I meant by personal focus I meant what I'm generally looking at, not what I expect from this <span aria-label="slight smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="slight smile">:slight_smile:</span></p>



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<p>but what Niko is saying means more like prioritizing some bad bugs and first care about them :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139582" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139582">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it's pretty useful <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="120823">@DPC</span> to think about what the "role" of (e.g.) release team triage vs compiler team triage is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139590" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139590">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I could imagine that it would indeed be different focus</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139609" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139609">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I also am pretty unconvinced that the way we're approaching things now is the best use of time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139611" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139611">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes I get that</p>



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<p>(that is, the way compiler team is approaching things)</p>



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<p>I agree</p>



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<p>I'm not even sure that a general triage meeting (where whole team theoretically attends) makes sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139671" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139671">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>it seems like it might be better to have a smaller group that is generally watching over things and just highlighting cases where "horrible bug is not making progress!"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139704" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139704">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139877" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139877">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>So I'm assuming we are tracking ICEs and checking if they are fixed or not?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188139906" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188139906">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess not necessarily just ICEs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140003" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140003">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's worse a bug report about vec.push (to say something) performing very badly than an ICE on a very edge case use of the language</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140010" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140010">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah a smaller group makes sense especially people who have some background of how things work</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140037" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140037">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would say</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140039" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140039">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, ICE is definitely too broad</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140068" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140068">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>like, I just think we don't have enough people to try and track and guarantee every ICE gets fixed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140072" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140072">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it is interesting to try and narrow down <em>when</em> an ICE is important</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140087" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140087">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>yep</p>



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<p>e.g., <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> has mentioned stuff like "if there is a useful error reported before the ICE, maybe it's not so bad"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140104" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140104">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd generally say, it depends how much a problem is hitten by users and how bad is it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140107" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140107">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I guess it matters how easy it is to encounter etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140179" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140179">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:18)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>e.g., <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> has mentioned stuff like "if there is a useful error reported before the ICE, maybe it's not so bad"</p>
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<p>agreed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140196" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140196">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>True</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140239" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140239">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>this has been kind of useful :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140242" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140242">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:19)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>and I guess it matters how easy it is to encounter etc</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yep, this is why I'm saying I guess it depends on how easily people will hit the issue + how bad is the issue and another factor to consider is how easy will be to fix it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140246" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140246">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe I'll make a hackmd with some notes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140270" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140270">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://hackmd.io/5theN85oRS6QvyYPZt-vew?edit" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/5theN85oRS6QvyYPZt-vew?edit">hackmd</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140343" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140343">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>PS, separate from this topic,</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140348" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140348">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>it may not be very easy for triggers to figure out how easy it is to fix it but maybe you could guess a bit by looking at the error :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140372" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140372">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's probably a good idea for us -- maybe at another meeting? in a zulip topic? -- to try and figure out a bit what our "next few roadmap" items will be</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140378" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140378">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think there is some stuff for us to follow up on</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140394" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140394">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>there is of course the diagnostic ICE-breaker idea, but I think at this point we know the "script" there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140411" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140411">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>mm we should probably make a forge page</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140421" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140421">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>that describes "how to propose and create an ICE-breaker group"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140436" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140436">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes to everything</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140449" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140449">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>but the other thing is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140456" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140456">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>we had that "working group retro" a bit back</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140461" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140461">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>and there were some good lessons there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140497" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140497">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g. changes to how we do the wg updates</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140519" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140519">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I would kind of like to go back over that and see if we can find some concrete work items in there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140579" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140579">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>did we do some writings that contains the outputs of the retro?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140737" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140737">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, I think so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140741" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140741">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>let me check</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140750" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140750">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh taht reminds me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140760" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140760">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>that I need to upload minutes from the last design meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140819" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140819">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:25)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>did we do some writings that contains the outputs of the retro?</p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/compiler-team/minutes/design-meeting/2019-11-16-Working-Group-Retrospective/" target="_blank" title="https://rust-lang.github.io/compiler-team/minutes/design-meeting/2019-11-16-Working-Group-Retrospective/">design meeting minutes are here</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188140898" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188140898">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>that I need to upload minutes from the last design meeting</p>
</blockquote>
<p>that is, the one discussed in <a class="stream-topic" data-stream-id="131828" href="/#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020.2E02.2E07">#t-compiler &gt; design meeting 2020.02.07</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141381" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141381">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>read most of it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141391" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141391">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> how should we continue?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141414" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141414">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>continue?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141425" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141425">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, I think this meeting is roughly at an end :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141435" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141435">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess the question is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141443" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141443">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, that's what I meant</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141463" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141463">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>what are the next steps?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141513" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141513">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>well one thing -- next week I don't think I can make this meeting slot</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141522" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141522">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>My question is how do we ensure we don't ship an embarrassing feature</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141526" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141526">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>we could try to have some async conversation</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141550" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141550">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>async conversation makes sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141603" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141603">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>Works for me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141632" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141632">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:32)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>My question is how do we ensure we don't ship an embarrassing feature</p>
</blockquote>
<p>can you elaboate a bit on this, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="120823">@DPC</span>?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141646" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141646">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not sure what you mean by "how do we ensure"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141666" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141666">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>(but I do have to run, afk)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188141731" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188141731">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean our goal is to avoid catastrophic bugs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188142011" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188142011">(Feb 13 2020 at 19:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Nevermind I think I got my answer</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188161789" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188161789">(Feb 13 2020 at 23:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>opened <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/247" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/247">compiler team meeting proposal</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188161799" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188161799">(Feb 13 2020 at 23:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>cc <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> on that <span aria-label="point up" class="emoji emoji-1f446" role="img" title="point up">:point_up:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188207705" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188207705">(Feb 14 2020 at 13:57)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> isn't it better to get rid of the hackmd document and just embed the questions to answer in the proposal?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188207717" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188207717">(Feb 14 2020 at 13:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>or are you aiming for people to easily add stuff in there?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188207779" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188207779">(Feb 14 2020 at 13:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>because other than the questions to answer in the hackmd the rest is repeated from what's in the github proposal</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188207849" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188207849">(Feb 14 2020 at 13:59)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116266">Santiago Pastorino</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13/near/188207717" title="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13/near/188207717">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>or are you aiming for people to easily add stuff in there?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>if the intention is that one, why don't we put "questions to answer for an efficient tracking" title and get rid of the previous parts</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188207850" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188207850">(Feb 14 2020 at 13:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me shrugs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188207862" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188207862">(Feb 14 2020 at 13:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, not really important I guess :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188207873" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188207873">(Feb 14 2020 at 13:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>good questions :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188207878" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188207878">(Feb 14 2020 at 13:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess my intent was</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188207882" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188207882">(Feb 14 2020 at 13:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>that we would refine the details in hackmd</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188207886" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188207886">(Feb 14 2020 at 13:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>(potentially)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188207902" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188207902">(Feb 14 2020 at 13:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>in general we moved from "write proposal in a hackmd" to "write a few details in the issue"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188207911" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188207911">(Feb 14 2020 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I was thinking of the issue as an "advertisement" for the hackmd, which is the full thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188207960" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188207960">(Feb 14 2020 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I'm good with whatever structure you think best :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188207973" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188207973">(Feb 14 2020 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's fine :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188208004" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188208004">(Feb 14 2020 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>now that I have commented I'm thinking that it doesn't worth to spending more time :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202020.02.13/near/188208020" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E13.html#188208020">(Feb 14 2020 at 14:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>&lt;3</p>



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